AUGUST 2024: TROLL FILES:JOHN SANDERS CIPHER MYSTERIES TROLLING & ABUSE EXAMPLE
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The above image is the administrator's 'EDIT' view of a post on the 'An Empty Glass' page. As you can see the post was created at 15.59 hours on December 15th November 2015. The author of the post is shown as Sue d'nimh who was the Administrator of this page until 2019 when I was asked by Fandom, the owner of the sites, to take over as an admin of the page as they wanted to rid the site of a Troll, that troll was JohnSanders. The site had been abandoned in 2018 I believe. There were two admins for the site myself and one other.
What follows is an account of trolling activity carried out by John Sanders between August 5th and August 12th, 2024. The trolling relates to an attempt by Sanders to discredit the Tamamshud.blogspot.com site and myself personally.
To this particular troll attack, below are the Sanders comments made on the Cipher Mysteries blog, a site known for its tolerance and sometimes encouragement of troll activity.
August 5th 2024:
' We’re all getting old and no doubt not as sharp as when we were detectives in our prime. Two glaring errors in your last post GC if you don’t mind. First being that Jimmy Durham took his photos of the mortuary body on day three, a day following Doc Dwyer’s PM autopsy and not straight after as you imply. Second point being that the bloody shirt mentioned in “Cleland’s Notes” could not have been as one with that described by police on the morning of discovery.... If you think really long and hard, you may recall that on his day at the beach SM had been in fact wearing a white collarless shirt with separate collar attached by a press stud. Now that your wise, you might care to tell the BS team that it was former Sanders what gave you the the whole truth and nothing but! You take care now old feller me lad…y’hear?'
There are two issues raised by Sanders here,
1. The matter of the sequence that I had put in a post which mentioned just that, a sequence of events, it was not a timeline as Sanders implies,. His statement is designed to bait and get a response, he's trolling.
2. The second part is the matter of the type of shirt worn by the Somerton Man when found. He states that the shirt was a collarless with separate collar attached by a press stud. That statement is completely without foundation, there is no mention anywhere in the inquest documents of the shirt being a collarless one with separate collar and 'press studs'. The documents in fact speak of a front and back collar stud being found in the suitcase not with the clothes the man was wearing. Gerry Feltus in his book, 'The Unknown Man' page 39 states that the man was wearing a white shirt with collar, with no mention of studs.
Here are the rest of the trolling comments on the same theme:
The tone in each of the comments is unmistakable, it's trolling and it's abusive. I most certainly did not post on the nature of the shirt it was posted by another and as you will also see, the other person's account is true and substantiated by Gerry Feltus. The Sanders statement was completely untrue as stated earlier.
For the record, where Sanders mentions the iPad difficulties I have encountered, there have been known issues with signing-in problems for some years, you can view the google search results HERE. Yet again Sanders resorts to unsubstantiated comments to further his attempts to discredit the work done on the tamamshud blog and myself personally.
GC: Oh dear me Gordon, we are indeed getting old when we forget important things we refer to on our own web site, ie., “…he had also been wearing a “white shirt & collar”, info copied from the Adelaide Mail’s news description of SM’s attire on the day of discovery no doubt; Could have made it easy on yourself by not mentioning the collar studs in your latest BS post but seems fools never learn. At least you had sense not to to try explaining away your earlier Durham mortuary attendance gaff; perhaps there is some hope if you seek help soon. Wish you well as usual.
Peteb: Culpret said to be a Greek born ex Darwin Hospital orderly and dyed in the wool necrophniliac after a nice peace of slab meat, deceased being recovered next morning apparently no worse for wear. Not the same monster as one in 1951 who gained entry via an open mortuary window and slashed a deceased female whom he may have known in life according to police. I did write about this chap on GC’s perloined Anemptyglass blog years ago, perhaps he’ll be kind enough to dig it up and share it with folks at Tbt, can’t see why not.
Don’t ask me, mate, I’m just another ‘plagiarising, narcissist troll’ .. so judged by the spotless Gordon Cramer. Some nights I’m unable to sleep.
Why are people so cruel?
DM: for all we know, the suitcase and contents were dusted but it may not have been prudent to let the public know if “… any match was sought (or obtained) with the suitcase for Jerry ………” or not. I can think of any number of reasons why Safcol hierarchy might have opted for discretion, especially in that the matter remained unresolved when the inquest was convened. Not withstanding, We might rest assured any fingerprints obtained other than Jerry Somertons would have been revealed to the coroner pre hearing and his approval sought for non disclosure, on undertaking that results would serve no purpose at that juncture.
DM: Mr. Cramer of BS/TS does not concur with your long accepted method for fingerprinting of deceased persons, but each to his own and best practise can depend to some extent on the FP form layout. There also be a somewhat more gruesome though at times convenient procedure that works particularly well on a damaged body if undertaken during autopsy with assistance of the attending pathologist.
Mr. Cramer: sure looks like the sanders troll has called your bluff on two most recent points of order, namely time frame differential for morgue attendance of Dr. Dwyer & Jim Durham’s; plus your ‘shirt & collar’ own goal, leaving you with egg on your face and no option but to pull the plug in order to deny the fake former detective of victory … and not for the first time either.
Always wondered some about the might & plight of MC Knight, hero of Truro and former trail scout riding point with the Leane team. As to where he parked his mount whilst on duty one can only wonder; Whilst there is no hitching rail in old mortuary pics, a tall breather or exhaust pipe extending from the ground upward alongside the west wall, might have been ok for a plodder used to the smell of decay.
Fair ‘nough Gordon, want I should go two steps further and give specific locstats for the nominated posts you and your alter ego Atticus deny existence of. Or do you prefer to modify them in order to soften the impact. I believe I’ve got your measure otherwise, an ain’t no Boo Radley a comin to tha rescue this time ‘roun no siree!
GC: I can can tell by the smell that you want to get to hell out of here but you only have your anonymous (self) to blame for reintroduction of a hacknied old conversation. As I’ve explained quite clearly on more than one occasion, Your “white shirt & collar” information was taken presumably from the Mail’s SM story of 1/12/48 that included worn attire which you accepted and posted on your fact based site, but now chose to deny knowledge.
GC: This snippet re SM’s possessions taken from your own Somerton Man site and presumably your layout listing clothing worn when found; plus for anyone that be interested, a verbatum re run of your silly ‘own goal’ in that both Dr. Dwyer and Jim Durham were performing their assigned duties at West Terrace morgue on the same day ….hopefully with your kind permission.
His Clothes
Brown fawn trousers (Stamina ………….)
White shirt with collar
A tie (red white and blue)
A brown knitted pullover
A grey brown double breasted coat
Heavy knitted socks
Brown lace up shoes (clean and polished)
Jocky pants (slightly soiled)
Anonymous 5 August 2024 at 18:31
Walk through the events. The body is delivered to the morgue an an (sic) autopsy is carried out. Jimmy Durham photographs the body. To do that the body fresh from the autopsy, has to be lifted and the shirt put in place…It is more than likely that the bloodstains to the shirt happened then. It is highly unlikely that they were the result of an unclean body tray or a swapped body These are my words and I stand by them as you can see they start with 'walk through the events.. they are an account of the sequence of events and not a timeline.
@BS Cramer,
@BS/GC: Seems to be a tad too hot for you in the devil’s kitchen all of a sudden Mr. Cramer; especially with dubious claimed inabilty to synchronise your Ipad so it be compatable with Google and WordPress. ’bout time you realised we at CM are long used to your sociopathic pretence of identifying with a host of Baltic based alter ego’s and Anons much closer to the Qld’s Sunshine Coast. You’all stay safe now y’hear.
Peteb: bit behind the times with commentary on GC’s Danetta Code book release. Respectfully suggest you go back to his BS thread of June 2022 when international sales of the first two editions of the same title were said to be on Amazon’s best seller list.
Well noted, and I’m only too happy to assist him in doing some fact checking on various aspects of his book.
I stand by my words Gordon, you should know that by now. time you stood by yours for a change with your extended double trouble perversions. That be the clue to solving your own word for word ‘white shirt with collar’ part description of SM’s clobber inclusion. Don’t let the memory lapse thing get you down and be reminded to stick with the ‘oldtimer’ therapy nudge nudge no wha’ I mean?.